1 00:00:10,223 --> 00:00:13,283 Ivan Hayden, visual effects supervisor, Supernatural. 2 00:00:13,694 --> 00:00:16,492 Role on the show. 3 00:00:16,663 --> 00:00:20,827 The visual effects supervisor is there to help the producers and directors design and come up with 4 00:00:21,001 --> 00:00:24,334 the best, safest and most efficient way to 5 00:00:24,504 --> 00:00:28,135 shoot the visual effects and then make sure that everything is shot in such a ways, 6 00:00:28,230 --> 00:00:31,571 that we can have the most lateral motion in host. 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Creative challenges. 9 00:00:34,515 --> 00:00:39,645 We have to do a new ghost or monster or creature every episode 10 00:00:39,820 --> 00:00:44,223 and we have to come up with a way of getting the writers vision 11 00:00:44,391 --> 00:00:47,656 different than we’ve seen every other time. 12 00:00:48,028 --> 00:00:50,023 For example, every time we do this show there’s a new monster 13 00:00:50,100 --> 00:00:53,525 that dies and we don’t want them all to go in the same way. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,294 Supernatural research. 15 00:00:56,770 --> 00:00:59,533 Vampires in our show don`t turn into bats and fly away. 16 00:01:00,107 --> 00:01:03,770 So we have to come up with the look for a monster 17 00:01:03,944 --> 00:01:06,276 that sticks with the vain of the show 18 00:01:06,446 --> 00:01:09,000 and although we do look at what has been done in the past 19 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:12,979 we also trying to put our own fingerprint on it to give it our own 20 00:01:13,153 --> 00:01:16,350 look and technology has gone a lot better so we can attempt to do things, 21 00:01:16,523 --> 00:01:18,457 you know, that they couldn`t do in the past. 22 00:01:18,725 --> 00:01:20,550 Creating the signature style. 23 00:01:21,094 --> 00:01:24,855 This show is more about the acting and the relationships 24 00:01:25,031 --> 00:01:27,693 between the two brothers and how they grow. 25 00:01:27,868 --> 00:01:31,065 And the supernatural is sort of the engine that takes it. 26 00:01:31,238 --> 00:01:35,299 It shouldn`t overpower what the boys are doing and what the boys are becoming. 27 00:01:35,475 --> 00:01:40,435 So our effects are there to enhance the danger and the drama, 28 00:01:40,614 --> 00:01:43,777 but not to detract from the wonderful acting 29 00:01:43,950 --> 00:01:45,714 that both Jared and Jensen do on every episode. 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,386 Raising the bar. 31 00:01:49,055 --> 00:01:52,547 Every episode that we look at there are the effects that we planned on doing 32 00:01:52,726 --> 00:01:56,719 and then we look at the show and we look at the cuts around what we’re doing 33 00:01:56,897 --> 00:01:58,296 and sometimes we’ll say "Hey, you know 34 00:01:58,465 --> 00:02:01,161 it would be really cool if we made that guy’s hand twitch." 35 00:02:01,334 --> 00:02:04,064 You know, he’s a dead corpse and he is just laying there but 36 00:02:04,237 --> 00:02:07,934 sort of in a background wouldn`t it be neat if his finger was twitching a little bit. 37 00:02:08,208 --> 00:02:10,176 Teamwork on set. 38 00:02:10,777 --> 00:02:13,837 One of the scenes that we have is a woman is in her hotel room 39 00:02:14,014 --> 00:02:18,644 and the invisible dog claws her pants off and cuts into her leg 40 00:02:18,819 --> 00:02:20,446 and she’s bleeding all over the place. 41 00:02:20,921 --> 00:02:24,152 And what we did is special effects tore the pants, 42 00:02:24,324 --> 00:02:27,122 a special effects make up put the application on her leg. 43 00:02:27,294 --> 00:02:28,761 It can`t be done without everybody. 44 00:02:28,929 --> 00:02:33,298 I mean, every single person on the show makes every effect work. 45 00:02:33,567 --> 00:02:35,091 Loving Supernatural. 46 00:02:36,136 --> 00:02:38,696 Every single episode we have to do something else. 47 00:02:38,872 --> 00:02:43,605 And it`s like playing. It’s you know, everyday it`s like being a kid, you get to pretend and your like 48 00:02:43,777 --> 00:02:48,840 "Hey, wouldn`t it be cool if the werewolf and it`s mouth sort of went this way." 49 00:02:49,015 --> 00:02:50,107 It`s a lot of fun. 50 00:02:57,980 --> 00:02:59,512 Old-School haunted houses. 51 00:03:59,716 --> 00:03:01,240 ecret passage ways, fog... 52 00:03:03,552 --> 00:03:05,782 Might even run into Fred and Daphne while we're inside. 53 00:03:10,826 --> 00:03:11,952 Daphne... 54 00:03:23,706 --> 00:03:25,731 I definitely set out to do a horror movie. 55 00:03:27,042 --> 00:03:31,001 A tv series that kind of caught the vibe of The Ring and The Grudge. 56 00:03:31,180 --> 00:03:32,772 Yeah, like strange. 57 00:03:32,948 --> 00:03:35,781 You know it’s one of the rules of the show is that we don’t invent anything. 58 00:03:35,951 --> 00:03:37,441 Every story we tell 59 00:03:37,619 --> 00:03:41,749 and every episode is based on like a real piece of folk lore. 60 00:03:41,924 --> 00:03:43,915 There's 100 different legends on the walking dead, 61 00:03:44,093 --> 00:03:45,920 but they all have different methods for killing them. 62 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,158 Some say setting them on fire. 63 00:03:48,330 --> 00:03:50,060 Feeding their hearts to wild dogs. That's my personal favorite. 64 00:03:50,933 --> 00:03:51,598 Action. 65 00:03:52,768 --> 00:03:56,499 They showed up on the first day of work with like eighty of these just little one 66 00:03:56,672 --> 00:03:59,698 liners of what episodes could be, just pulled 67 00:03:59,875 --> 00:04:02,935 from this real life folk lore from across the country. 68 00:04:03,112 --> 00:04:08,209 You know like killer clowns and arm ripped off and you know all these… 69 00:04:08,384 --> 00:04:10,477 John Shiban: The Licked hand EK: Yeah the Licked hand JS: Yeah that’s one of my favourites. 70 00:04:11,952 --> 00:04:12,279 It’s a fun show to work on 71 00:04:12,455 --> 00:04:15,221 because you don’t sit around like banging your head 72 00:04:15,391 --> 00:04:19,259 against a wall, you just start doing research. 73 00:04:19,428 --> 00:04:22,192 And the homework is cool I mean with all the ghost stories and stuff. 74 00:04:22,364 --> 00:04:25,299 - Or it's an invisible killer. - My favorite kind. 75 00:04:25,467 --> 00:04:28,732 - What do you think, Scully? Wanna check it out? - I'm not scully. You're Scully. 76 00:04:29,171 --> 00:04:31,469 No, i'm Mulder. You're a redheaded woman. 77 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,201 We’ll pull from old and new horror movies that we love and scenes that we knew 78 00:04:35,377 --> 00:04:37,777 and that’ll be a seed for an episode and then we’ll start kicking it around and how… 80 00:04:38,614 --> 00:04:40,013 what the Winchester version of it is. 81 00:04:40,682 --> 00:04:42,912 We can`t stay here. We've got to get out of here, ause somewhere... 82 00:04:43,085 --> 00:04:44,814 let people know what`s comming. 83 00:04:44,987 --> 00:04:46,318 Yeah, that`s a good pint. 84 00:04:46,488 --> 00:04:48,479 La Nuit des morts-vivants se finit plutot mal. 85 00:04:48,657 --> 00:04:49,988 We will take vampires and do 86 00:04:50,159 --> 00:04:53,185 what other movies and shows have done with vampires. 87 00:04:53,729 --> 00:04:56,630 We’re working on a werewolf idea and it’s “How is it ours?” 88 00:04:56,799 --> 00:05:00,098 What’s different about it? What makes it Supernatural monster? Not a… 89 00:05:00,269 --> 00:05:02,499 not one you would see on something else, so 90 00:05:02,671 --> 00:05:07,802 they all have their origins in real lore but then we run with it. 91 00:05:07,976 --> 00:05:09,773 157 names? 92 00:05:09,945 --> 00:05:11,845 - We got to narrow that down. - Yeah. 93 00:05:12,014 --> 00:05:14,608 Or else we're gonna be diggingup a hell of a lot of stiffs. 94 00:05:14,783 --> 00:05:15,909 Herman Webster Mudgett? 95 00:05:16,085 --> 00:05:20,486 - Wasn't that H.H. Holmes'real name? - The term "multi-murderer". they coined it to describe holmes. 96 00:05:20,655 --> 00:05:23,022 He was america's first serial killer. 97 00:05:23,192 --> 00:05:24,784 Cut. 98 00:05:25,227 --> 00:05:27,525 What’s great about these urban legends is they’re all designed 99 00:05:27,696 --> 00:05:29,425 to have these shocking twists at the end. 100 00:05:29,598 --> 00:05:32,795 The escaped psychotic with the hook for a hand, I just love that. 101 00:05:32,968 --> 00:05:35,459 You know where the boyfriend disappears and the girls in the car, and she hears the scratching 102 00:05:35,637 --> 00:05:38,003 on the roof of the car, and she’s all freaked out and then she finally escapes 103 00:05:38,173 --> 00:05:40,107 the car and turns around and the boyfriend’s hanging 104 00:05:40,275 --> 00:05:42,835 upside down dead scratching against the car. 105 00:05:43,011 --> 00:05:46,572 And we actually turned that into an episode which I was really happy about, it’s a classic. 106 00:05:47,516 --> 00:05:50,644 Bloody Mary for me like always scared the crap out of me. 107 00:05:50,819 --> 00:05:53,083 You’d go in the bathroom and turn out the lights and say Bloody Mary in the mirror 108 00:05:53,255 --> 00:05:55,280 and she claws your eyes out. 109 00:05:56,225 --> 00:06:00,389 For my money that episode was really scary. It’s like a gross joke basically, 110 00:06:00,562 --> 00:06:02,894 it’s the same pattern, set up and then punch line. 111 00:06:03,065 --> 00:06:07,001 And that really lends itself dramatically, you know, to a really satisfying show because you get to have 112 00:06:07,169 --> 00:06:10,104 these fun little twists that are like gross, shocking 113 00:06:10,272 --> 00:06:13,730 or scary or disturbing and it really works out well. 114 00:06:15,511 --> 00:06:18,002 I'd say we've officially crossed over into weird. 115 00:06:19,248 --> 00:06:20,510 And action. 116 00:06:20,682 --> 00:06:24,982 We’re telling episodes this season that are philosophical, wildly structured, 117 00:06:25,154 --> 00:06:28,146 and we’re telling episodes that are just going to be straight comedies. 118 00:06:28,323 --> 00:06:29,381 Awesome. 119 00:06:29,558 --> 00:06:32,459 You know one episode can be angsty the next can be scary as hell, 120 00:06:32,628 --> 00:06:35,096 the other one can be funny, the other one can be a romance and you can just keep 121 00:06:35,264 --> 00:06:38,665 hop-skotching in genres and form. 122 00:06:38,834 --> 00:06:42,235 - Los Angeles, California. - What's in L.A.? 123 00:06:42,404 --> 00:06:44,634 A young girl's been kidnapped by an evil cult. 124 00:06:44,806 --> 00:06:46,273 Yeah? 125 00:06:46,441 --> 00:06:48,341 - The girl got a name? - Katie Holmes. 126 00:06:49,711 --> 00:06:54,011 Once we sort of settle on what the monster is or the creature or the spirit. 127 00:06:54,183 --> 00:06:55,241 I think I know 128 00:06:55,417 --> 00:06:57,612 what we're dealing with here. 129 00:06:58,887 --> 00:07:00,946 It's the stay-puftmarshmallow man. 130 00:07:01,123 --> 00:07:04,217 - Beyond that what’s the story about? - Right. 131 00:07:04,393 --> 00:07:08,386 And what is the personal story about and how does this spirit, creature, monster 132 00:07:08,564 --> 00:07:10,691 effect our boys? 133 00:07:10,866 --> 00:07:13,664 So we always try to make the stories a little deeper. 134 00:07:13,835 --> 00:07:15,826 - I'm one of them. - No, you're not. 135 00:07:16,004 --> 00:07:18,734 Dean, the demon said he had plans for me and children like me. 136 00:07:18,907 --> 00:07:20,807 - Yeah? - Maybe this is his plan. 137 00:07:20,976 --> 00:07:25,037 Maybe we're all a bunch of psychic freaks. Maybe we're all supposed to be... 138 00:07:25,214 --> 00:07:26,340 - What? Killers ? - Yeah. 139 00:07:26,515 --> 00:07:29,507 So the demon wants you out there, killing with your minds? Is that it? 140 00:07:29,685 --> 00:07:31,880 Give me a break. You're not a murderer, Sam! 141 00:07:32,287 --> 00:07:34,778 - You don't have it in your bones. - No? 142 00:07:36,325 --> 00:07:40,557 - Last I checked, I kill all kinds of things. - Those things were asking for it. 143 00:07:40,829 --> 00:07:41,818 There's a difference. 144 00:07:41,997 --> 00:07:45,125 We have a show that’s about like good and evil, and faith 145 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:49,031 and destiny, and life and death and it’s like the real big issues. 146 00:07:49,204 --> 00:07:51,365 The shows core is through the emotion of the brothers 147 00:07:51,540 --> 00:07:54,941 and you know what we always say in the writer’s room is you know everything is family. 148 00:07:55,110 --> 00:07:57,374 Whenever we’re in a dead end or we can’t figure out we’re like: 149 00:07:57,546 --> 00:07:58,604 "Ok well it’s a family show, what’s the 150 00:07:58,780 --> 00:08:01,408 family version of this? And how to make that work". 151 00:08:01,583 --> 00:08:03,676 Before dad died, he... 152 00:08:03,919 --> 00:08:05,978 he told me something. 153 00:08:07,422 --> 00:08:10,585 - Something about you. - What? 154 00:08:14,196 --> 00:08:15,424 Dean, what did he tell you? 155 00:08:16,765 --> 00:08:18,460 He said that he... 156 00:08:19,101 --> 00:08:20,432 Wanted me to watch out for you... 157 00:08:22,237 --> 00:08:23,465 Take care of you. 158 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:27,135 - He told you that a million times. - Well, this time was different. 159 00:08:28,944 --> 00:08:31,105 He said that I had to... 160 00:08:32,147 --> 00:08:34,138 Save you. 161 00:08:34,549 --> 00:08:38,780 - Save me from what? - He just said that I had to save you and nothing else mattered. 162 00:08:38,953 --> 00:08:42,583 And that if I couldn't, I'd... 163 00:08:43,125 --> 00:08:44,786 You'd what,dean? 164 00:08:46,361 --> 00:08:47,453 I'd have to kill you. 165 00:08:50,432 --> 00:08:53,094 Most hour shows have a seven day prep but this show 166 00:08:53,268 --> 00:08:55,600 can’t handle a seven day prep 167 00:08:55,771 --> 00:08:59,798 if they’re not prepping before seven days we’re in trouble 168 00:08:59,975 --> 00:09:04,036 because of all the visual effects and special effects. 169 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,706 We’re building new sets every week, we don’t have any permanent sets. 170 00:09:07,883 --> 00:09:11,046 So they at least have to get the story way, way in advance. 171 00:09:11,219 --> 00:09:15,485 So I mean we lock in every big move and every creature and every stunt and all the things you know, 172 00:09:15,657 --> 00:09:18,182 that we need to get rolling on, because each one’s like 173 00:09:18,393 --> 00:09:20,554 a new deal every time. 174 00:09:20,729 --> 00:09:22,890 - Cut - And that’s hard. I mean because that takes like 175 00:09:23,065 --> 00:09:27,091 you know research and development from the effects guys and what’s it going to look like and how 176 00:09:27,168 --> 00:09:30,295 are they going to make that work and you know everyone just, you know, just busts their ass 177 00:09:30,472 --> 00:09:32,269 just trying to get that done every week. 178 00:09:34,309 --> 00:09:35,367 Get down! 179 00:09:39,014 --> 00:09:40,345 I do sometimes read the fans stuff, 180 00:09:40,515 --> 00:09:43,416 and when people say “oh that was so scary or that clown was terrifying.” 181 00:09:43,585 --> 00:09:45,815 I get a kick out of it, it’s great, it’s exciting to, you know, 182 00:09:45,987 --> 00:09:48,251 leave people with images that stick with them. 183 00:09:48,423 --> 00:09:50,914 It’s a way to have a roller coaster ride and survive it. 184 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,424 That’s how things roll around here at Supernatural. 185 00:09:54,596 --> 00:09:57,497 - Our lives are weird, man. - You're telling me? 186 00:10:15,354 --> 00:10:18,915 My name is Christopher Cooper, I`m a props master for the Supernatural. 187 00:10:21,126 --> 00:10:23,060 The property master and the props to department deal with everything 188 00:10:23,228 --> 00:10:27,995 the actors hold, touch, or accessorize by. 189 00:10:28,167 --> 00:10:32,797 Whether they’re drinking, firing guns, playing with knives, or fighting evil, 190 00:10:32,972 --> 00:10:34,166 all the toys, really. 191 00:10:35,641 --> 00:10:37,472 Supernatural totally rules. 192 00:10:39,378 --> 00:10:41,638 That's holy water, you, demonic son of a bitch! 193 00:10:41,714 --> 00:10:44,275 Stuff we get to do, stuff we get to create, killing vampires 194 00:10:44,450 --> 00:10:47,715 and zombies, and shapeshifters, 195 00:10:48,220 --> 00:10:49,120 we’ve got all sorts of cool toys. 196 00:10:50,925 --> 00:10:52,689 Supernatural research. 197 00:10:52,861 --> 00:10:55,024 The urban tales all go back for hundreds of years 198 00:10:55,498 --> 00:10:58,066 and all that mythology definitely has its rules 199 00:10:58,935 --> 00:11:05,965 and, you know, we develop our own rules as we go along, to deal with our vampires or shapeshifters. 200 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,130 Creating the signature style. 201 00:11:08,841 --> 00:11:11,776 There`s the aesthetic element of course and then there`s practical 202 00:11:11,944 --> 00:11:14,913 form follows function element to make it work 203 00:11:15,414 --> 00:11:18,009 and of course it has to look cool. That`s one of the most important parts. 204 00:11:18,184 --> 00:11:21,175 You always wanna do something new. You want, whatever 205 00:11:21,353 --> 00:11:26,222 it is that you create, to be new and unique. But at the same time 206 00:11:26,392 --> 00:11:30,192 it has to fit into the lore, you know, 207 00:11:30,362 --> 00:11:34,765 it has to make sense to whoever is watching, that yeah, that`s gonna work, 208 00:11:34,933 --> 00:11:37,925 that`s a shapeshifter you gotta have silver knife for that. 209 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:39,600 Props for huntung. 210 00:11:40,773 --> 00:11:44,869 This is Dean Winchester`s favorite gun, this is the colt 1911. 211 00:11:45,044 --> 00:11:48,013 Here we have Sam Winchester`s favorite gun, 212 00:11:48,180 --> 00:11:51,672 this is the Tourist PT 99. They specifically shoot blank, 213 00:11:51,850 --> 00:11:54,683 they can`t shoot real bullets, of course. 214 00:11:56,755 --> 00:12:00,714 For firing the guns we always have a couple of them on hand, 215 00:12:00,893 --> 00:12:03,088 incase a gun jams or something like that 216 00:12:03,262 --> 00:12:06,356 and then we have rubber versions, for if there`s a fight, guys are getting banged 217 00:12:06,532 --> 00:12:09,501 around, might as well be use rubber guns. We do a lot 218 00:12:10,235 --> 00:12:13,068 of retractable versions of knives and spears. Stab your 219 00:12:13,706 --> 00:12:16,937 zombie 220 00:12:17,342 --> 00:12:18,570 and away you go. 221 00:12:18,744 --> 00:12:22,805 We do a lot of blood knives where there`s a reservoir in the actor`s hand 222 00:12:22,981 --> 00:12:26,144 and as they draw the knife across the arm the blood come out, so it looks like 223 00:12:26,318 --> 00:12:27,808 the knife is cutting. 224 00:12:27,986 --> 00:12:33,117 Every good hunter needs an EMF detector. Electro magnetic frequency detector. 225 00:12:35,161 --> 00:12:38,356 We`ve also got the alien probe here. 226 00:12:39,065 --> 00:12:41,260 And i just leave that one alone. 227 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,200 Loving Supernatural. 228 00:12:44,204 --> 00:12:48,367 Jensen and Jared are phenomenal guys to work with. And they’re into doing 229 00:12:48,540 --> 00:12:52,943 absolutely everything. The producers, the director, the production 230 00:12:53,112 --> 00:12:55,307 designer, art department is absolutely 231 00:12:55,481 --> 00:12:57,540 amazing what they can do and what they create 232 00:12:57,716 --> 00:13:01,277 because they help design these things and then, you know, 233 00:13:01,453 --> 00:13:03,512 I make them come to life. 234 00:13:03,653 --> 00:13:03,800 235 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:04,000